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  •  Empire is the proverbial elephant in the room, (none / 0)

    the most important issue of this election (and of our time), mentioned by neither of the major candidates, and strangely by none of the left-leaning third party candidates. I'm the first to recognize that an anti-empire platform (ie energy independence + withdrawal from the Muslim world - no bases, airfields, even embassies + restrictions on Muslim immigration) would be electoral suicide at this point, but it is sad that this absolutely vital debate is barely happening on the left.

    And as much as I oppose the neoconservative imperial agenda in the Arab and wider Muslim world, I do not find the Democratic alternative of liberal internationalism a sustainable alternative. The neoconservatives, unlike the liberal internationalists, recognize that the political, economic, and cultural status quo in the Arab world, and America's continued enabling and protection of that status quo, is what is breeding the terrorism against America. Their solution, a military campaign to radically transform and westernize that political, economic, and cultural is clearly being interpreted by Iraqis and Arabs more generally for what it is: imperialism. You can be certain that the quote from Mr. Bush about American being "an empire now" in the Suskind piece wasn't a fabrication or an exaggeration of his thinking, or indeed of reality. You can be certain that as the Arab baby boom comes of age and continues to radicalize, the neoconservative strategy in the so-called war on terror will become increasingly unsustainable, but also that working with the crumbling repressive regimes of the Arab world to fight Islamist terrorism (as the liberal internationalists would have us do) will increasingly no longer be a viable possibility either. The Islamists make no distinction between the empire-heavy of the neoconservatives, and the empire-lite of the liberal internationalists. And in any event how long will the Chinese go on bankrolling American empire? The days of American dominance are numbered.

    In any event, thank you for citing this issue. I've tried to raise a kazillion times on kos without a whole lot of success. Maybe you'll have more.

    "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson

    by spot on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 10:15:31 PM PDT

    •  Actually, the quote wasn't from Bush (none / 0)

      But I happen to agree with you, that this is a very important elephant.  But it is, indeed, political suicide to admit that it exists.

      How ready are the American people to deal with the at-home consequences of a radical change in international policy?

      I will attempt to answer that with another question:  How many people still don't believe that we went to war with Iraq to protect the American way of life?

      Know what happens if America can't secure a steady oil supply?

      "Dude, you're getting a depression."

      Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies. --Friedrich Nietzsche (Beyond Good and Evil)

      by perspicio on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 10:29:54 PM PDT

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      •  No. You're right, but its difficult not to suspect (none / 0)

        that this is Mr. Bush's thinking as well. The Democrats need credible surrogates to start talking up a different policy. They can be from well outside the beltway, but the fact is that the only real alternatives to neoconservativism and liberal internationalism are coming from the libertarians and from the paleocons. Badnarik is the only candidate this year who's made an issue of empire. Where's the left on this question? The new left of the late 60s and early 70s was obsessed with the issue of empire, and were about 30-40 years ahead of their time. They all seem to have either become mainstream liberals or in rare cases neocons, but as much as Democrats arguably didn't need those voices then, they need them now. America needs them now.

        "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson

        by spot on Thu Oct 21, 2004 at 10:47:57 PM PDT

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